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PostSubject: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Wed 16 Dec - 13:45

J'avais déjà eu la même idée l'année passée, mais yavait eu peu de motivés pour bien prendre part aux pronostics sur les battles de la WT

Donc je relance l'idée cette année, avec à la clé pour le vainqueur, une petite récompense (probablement l'un de mes mods dont je ne me sert plus du tout... oui, le plastylo est envisageable!)

Le but étant bien entendu d'essayer d'avoir le plus de points possibles en devinant correctement les vainqueurs des notres battles qui vont jalonner la compétition, tout en s'amusant (bah ouais)

Règles :

Pour chaque battle (1vs1) correctement pronostiquée (vainqueur et perdant (noms) ou égalité) : 1pt

Pour chaque battle (2vs2) correctement pronostiquée (vainqueurs et perdants (noms) ou égalité) : 1.5pt

Pour chaque battle (1vs1 ou 2vs2) mettant en scène un ou deux spinners belges, correctement pronostiquée : double des points accordés (2 ou 3 pts donc)

Pour chaque battle où vous êtes le seul à déterminez correctement le bon pronostic : 1pt de bonus

Pour chaque match (ensemble de 3 battles entre 2 boards) où vous trouvez correctement le bon pronostic pour chacune des 3
battles : 1pt de bonus

Je comptabiliserai le résultat à la fin de chaque round et on regardera ainsi qui fait un "bon" juge haha...

Allez voir les résultats de gisou l'année passé =D

Allez le principal c'est have fun... Ca peut etre sympa...

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Wed 16 Dec - 23:01

En gros, si vous voulez vous distraire en plein blocus, faites comme Boy qui a besoin de joueurs pour ce jeu.

Ou bien, si vous êtes en vacances comme moi, boycotter ce puta*** de jeu cassant les coui**es !

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 31 Jan - 17:46

http://www.worldpenspinning.com/index.html

Site updaté...
Cte connerie peut commencer, fuck.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 31 Jan - 19:26

Personellement, je ne trouve pas ce jeu debile...on y joue tous plus ou moin inconsciement.
Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Minwoo et thekook

TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Darcy
3.3=Baoo et x1213

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit
4.2=Baimai
4.3=Dongza et 8(en anticipant l'esprit des juges sinon j'aurai di boy et gis)


Voila! Il y a des confrontations dans lesquelles il est difficile de trancher(3.3 4.3 2.3 1.2)...


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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 31 Jan - 19:39

Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Fire@fox & Forever

TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Darcy
3.3=BaoO & X1213

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit
4.2=Baimai
4.3=Dongza et 8

Donc dans l'ensemble, plutot d'accord avec Spini .
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 31 Jan - 19:41

Je reprend le format de Spini.

Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Minwoo et thekook

TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Darcy
3.3=Baoo et X1213

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit
4.2=Baimai
4.3=Boy et Gis
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 31 Jan - 19:55

Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Minwoo et thekook

TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Darcy
3.3=Baoo et X1213

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit
4.2=Knuckles
4.3=Boy et Gis


coup de poker ='D

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 31 Jan - 20:10

comme gisou:
Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Minwoo et thekook

TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Darcy
3.3=Baoo et X1213

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit
4.2=Knuckles
4.3=Boy et Gis
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 31 Jan - 23:16

Say Parti!

Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Minwoo et thekook


TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Wah
3.3=BaoO & X1213 (huh j'aurais bien dis winky et tony mais j'aime que le finish de tony)

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit
4.2=KNUCKLES
4.3=GIS ET BOY => BPSC WIN 2-1 OUH YEAAAAAH!

Similaire à tout le monde sauf que je prends le risque d'envoyer Darcy (nonmaisdepuisquandt'asledroitdeprendrelepseudod'unjoueurdetennisbelge!? qui est en fait, et de loin le meilleur joueur du monde Cool ) au tapis.
Et sauf l'indécision qui règne autour de BPSC-THPSC.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Mon 1 Feb - 15:50

Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Fire@fox et je sais plus qui

TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Darcy
3.3=Baoo et X1213

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit
4.2=Knuckles
4.3=Boy et Gis
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Mon 1 Feb - 16:41

Pool 1 :
PSH Vs KPSA
1.1=Crew
1.2=Twister
1.3=Skydigital et Nia

JEB Vs GPC
2.1=Sister_R
2.2=Stuhl
2.3=Minwoo et TheKOok

TWPS Vs HKPSA
3.1=Kin
3.2=Wah
3.3=BaoO & X1213

THPSC Vs BPSC
4.1=Supawit127
4.2=BaiMai
4.3=Gisele 8 et Littleboy

Darcy perd selon moi. Ya qu'un bon passage dans son combo, le reste c'est du vent. Wah spin vraiment, lui.
Et BaiMai a de grandes chance de gagner (désolé Knuck' ^^')
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Mon 1 Feb - 17:02

Huh! Tu viens de me faire perdre mon point bonus sur la victoire de Wah pronostiquée en solo. Mais sinon, parfaitement d'accord avec toi, juste optimiste pour Knuck ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 7 Feb - 12:31

1)Spini 17.5
-Boy 17.5
3)Gisele8 15.5
-Elbamit 15.5
-Futhark 15.5
6)Toonet 15
7) Vityaz 13.5
8)Voltaic 13

Valaa pour l'instant =)

Je mettrai 12 pour le premier round pour ceux qui se rajoutent en cours de route.

Pour info, Zombo aurait eu 13


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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 28 Feb - 14:32

Group A

5. PSH VS JEB

5.1 Technical 1vs1: Firefox
5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ponkutu
5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast

6. KPSA VS GPC

6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew
6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Minwoo
6.3 Double 2vs2: Allemand Team (Même si j'espère contraire)


Group B

7. TWPS VS THPSC

7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Supawit127 (THPSC)
7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, BaiMai (THPSC)
7.3 Double 2vs2: Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC)

8. HKPSA VS BPSC

8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Littleboy (BPSC)
8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ivabra (BPSC)
8.3 Double 2vs2: EGALITE


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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 28 Feb - 15:02

Group A

5. PSH VS JEB

5.1 Technical 1vs1: Fire@fox (JEB)
5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ponkotu (JEB)
5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH)

6. KPSA VS GPC

6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew (KPSA)
6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Minwoo (GPC)
6.3 Double 2vs2: Stuhl et Colddi (GPC)

Group B

7. TWPS VS THPSC

7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Supawit127 (THPSC)
7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, BaiMai (THPSC)
7.3 Double 2vs2: Pas encore décidé .

8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Littleboy (BPSC)
8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ivabra (BPSC)
8.3 Double 2vs2: Kr4zy & Knuckles (BPSC)
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 28 Feb - 19:53

Group A

5. PSH VS JEB

5.1 Technical 1vs1: Firefox malgré son mod hideux
5.2 Artistic 1vs1: X! non j'déconne, Ponkutu
5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast

6. KPSA VS GPC

6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew
6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Minwoo
6.3 Double 2vs2: colddi/Stuhl (Epic win la musique)


Group B

7. TWPS VS THPSC

7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Supawit127 (THPSC)
7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, BaiMai (THPSC)
7.3 Double 2vs2: Egalité.

8. HKPSA VS BPSC

8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Littleboy (BPSC)
8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ivabra (BPSC)
8.3 Double 2vs2: Kr4zy et Knuck mais chaud. Enfin une transition cohérente au niveau des mods.
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 28 Feb - 20:02

Group A

5. PSH VS JEB

5.1 Technical 1vs1: Fire@fox
5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ponkutu
5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast

6. KPSA VS GPC

6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew
6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, Minwoo
6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't/Nia


Group B

7. TWPS VS THPSC

7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Supawit127
7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, BaiMai
7.3 Double 2vs2: SpinnerPeem/Thelegend

8. HKPSA VS BPSC

8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Littleboy
8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials Ivabra
8.3 Double 2vs2: Kin/Winky

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 28 Feb - 20:57

Group A

5. PSH VS JEB

5.1 Technical 1vs1: Fire@fox
5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ponkutu
5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast

6. KPSA VS GPC

6.1 Technical 1vs1: Crew
6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Minwoo
6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't/Nia


Group B

7. TWPS VS THPSC

7.1 Technical 1vs1: Supawit127
7.2 Artistic 1vs1: BaiMai
7.3 Double 2vs2: SpinnerPeem/Thelegend

8. HKPSA VS BPSC

8.1 Technical 1vs1: Littleboy
8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Ivabra
8.3 Double 2vs2: Kin/Winky

Comme Gis' en fait. Non j'ai pas copié, je suis juste d'accord avec lui Ü
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Tue 2 Mar - 19:50

J'ai édité mon post avec le vainqueur double groupe A

J'invite tous ceux qui l'ont pas encore fait à donner leur opinion.

Pour info : zombo's analysis :

Round 2 Analysis

First I want to explain a little bit what I like to look for in a double video. One could simply treat doubles as a collab with 2 videos with a transition in between, but I believe a good double video is much more than that. The obvious idea here is to make more interesting transitions but it's not just about the interaction between the spinners. It's also about their style, about the structure of their combined combos, about the trick selection, the tempo and even the angles used.

There are basically two ways to look at it. One approach is to use two spinners that are complementary: with different skill sets and styles. By doing so, the overall double is a lot more varied and each spinner has a clear responsibility. On the other hand, you can use two spinners that are similar. That way, the whole is very homogeneous and you feel more cohesion.

The reality however, is that you need a balance between these two ideas. If the spinners are too different, the double will feel disconnected. If the spinners are too similar, you will feel like watching the same thing twice. Obviously, selecting the right pair of spinners is important, but what's even more important is to ensure that both spinners work together to make a cohesive and interesting video. It is however difficult to pinpoint exactly what makes a double video good or not and most of it just comes through trial and error, hence the difficulty.

I believe however that many doubles this round were either worst than the sum of its parts, or better than the sum of its parts. The quality of spinning, when taken out of context, was not always consistent with the quality of the overall double.

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5. PSH vs JEB

5.1 Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Olii (PSH) vs Fire@fox (JEB): First impression is that Olii made a video that is much more visually appealing than Fire@fox. Olii had a lot of different continuous power tricks linked together in a very straightforward fashion. But I thought it was interesting to watch because the power tricks used were always different. However it did feel more like a showcase of various power tricks, one after the other, rather than a real combo. I would have liked to see more linkages between power tricks, but also linking power tricks in a different way. He only made continuous tricks, he should have tried to link some of these elements together one after the other instead of repeating them.

The reason Fire@fox's video doesn't look good is that he basically spend half the time doing spreads. And they're always looking similar even though they are a bit different. The problem is not so much that he uses spreads, but the fact those spreads are located at the beginning, middle and end of the combos. Because you see sequences of spreads being repeated throughout the combo, it looks like he's doing a lot of them. If he had bunched them up more it wouldn't have looked so repetitive. Now between those spreads, there are actually some quite nice hybrids involving fingers going in and out of slots, which is quite difficult to do. The problem is they're completely overshadowed by the spreads so they're not really noticeable. I think Fire@fox really had the perfect formula to win this: blending power tricks such as spreads with finger-bending hybrids in a very balanced manner would have nailed the theme perfectly. The product however is not so good because those spreads just look too prominent.

Winner: Olii, even though I don't think he deserve to win because it didn't really look like a combo.

5.2 Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, X (PSH) vs ponkotu (JEB): To be honest, X shows that he has great 2p2h skills. He does difficult sequences synchronized with great speed and fluidity. But it really is unacceptable to submit a video that is so botched. The spinning is off-screen, too short and the combo has a big pause for no reason in the middle. It's as if he took a random 10 seconds cut out of a bigger recording.

ponkotu on the other hand, wow! Probably my favourite this round. He shows off a lot of really cool and appealing two hands concepts. It starts with a really nice cross hand opener, especially the catch at :02. The way the pen flows from left hand to right hand to left hand back to right hand is amazing. Then another nice trick :07 on top of the left hand, looks so good. Another one at :08, using the side of the left hand as a fixed point to rotate the pen. The motion at :14 is a little bit jerky, but still great looking. In terms of actual tricks the content is fairly shallow, but to me it really doesn't matter because it shows so many promising two hands elements we should not judge it on standards. Good job!

Winner: ponkotu, easily.

5.3 Double 2vs2: cLear & cLast (PSH) vs forever & Hibachi (JEB): I don't know what's up with JEB doubles, but they have been terribly under performing in those matches. This is another awful release by them. It is marred with technical faults, especially for forever. Big mistakes like pauses and stumbles like at :05 and both combos were just not very smooth. The spinning itself is nothing spectacular that can even compensate such errors. The angles are so-so as well.

The PSH double was OK but nothing great either. cLast in particular was weak: the spinning was not smooth and the level was decent but not the best. The transition was pretty cool. Obviously the editing doesn't count, but getting exactly the right spot takes effort. cLear's combo was pretty strong though, lots of good tricks in there. However, it did overlap fairly significantly with cLast and since cLear was much better than cLast, it made cLast look worse.

Winner: cLear & cLast.

PSH 2-1. Surprisingly, JEB will fall 0-2 after 2 battles. But those losses are deserved IMO and largely due to weak double videos. A JEB qualification will be very difficult to achieve or even impossible if KPSA and GPC tie their battle.

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6. KPSA vs GPC

6.1 Technical 1vs1: Control, Crew (KPSA) vs TheKOok (GPC): First we look at the combos from an overall point of view. TheKOok made a pretty nice combo, kept my interest the whole time, I especially like the ending starting at :15. Now for Crew, when I first saw the video, I thought he made a mistake and sent me the first round video. Then I went back to check and the way I realized it was not the same combo was when I saw that his clothes were different. Seriously, it's almost the same thing: same tricks executed the same way at almost the same time. Even the wrist motion at :16 is the same. The combo itself is great though, difficult, looks nice.

For theme of control, I believe this is where we see a distinct advantage for Crew. By having his combo very similar to the first round, it can only mean he is very consistent in those tricks and elements. For control, consistency is very important because the only way you can execute a trick effortlessly is if you master that trick completely. So in that regards, Crew makes it look real easy. He's also banking on the fact that his aerial tricks have good control at the catches, which can be difficult to control usually. You can see there's no mistake in his catches like in the first round. If you compare this to TheKOok, he seems to be struggling a lot when spinning. There's a lot of unnecessary hand movements, the pen goes off-screen partially, and the final catch took some effort to get.

Winner: Crew.

6.2 Artistic 1vs1: Body and Environment, ZzaJae (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC): Some interesting ideas from both sides, but I found the execution lacking and that is ultimately the deciding factor in this match. I love the start of Minwoo's combo, perfect integration of body spinning with real tricks. It looks good and flows right in and out from the combo. The strap move was nice, but it was the subsequent transfer to the right hand that looked weird. I also really didn't like the first aerial at :14, it seems like he slows down way too much to prepare it. I really like the contact rolling sequence starting at :18. The way the pen locks into the left bicep had a really rhythmic feel to it, I liked that a lot. It would have been even better to lock the pen in the right bicep after. The ending I thought was not so great: bumping with the knee at :22 is a good idea, but it really didn't generate any air to be useful.

ZzaJae's combo had also some cool ideas, especially the ones involving his shirt. The first one is when he drops the pen inside his shirt. First of all, it's really cool to catch a pen with the shirt. Second, the fact that the shirt hides the pen forces us to imagine how the pen is traveling and where it's going to land, which puts a unique perspective to the combo. Furthermore, i thought that whole sequence was nicely executed and flowed well. The second element where he bumps the pen with his stretched shirt at :05 was not so great. It felt awkward because of the way he had to raise his chest. The move to roll the pen over the chest and make it jump with the knee was nice I thought. It is certainly difficult to orient the pen such that it rolls to the knee. I didn't like the palmspin to prepare that move, it was poorly executed. Also the angle didn't really show how the pen rolled. After that ZzaJae made a massive blunder by doing a crappy triangle pass ending, WTF. It is horrible I have no idea what he was thinking. What's even sadder is that he seems confused about why he's even doing this and it results in a super weak transfer to the left hand as the finish. I would have cut the video at :17, it would have looked a lot better.

Winner: Minwoo, ZzaJae's mistake is unforgivable.

6.3 Double 2vs2: Turndon't & Nia (KPSA) vs Stuhl & colddi (GPC): Difficult battle IMO. If you look only at the quality of the spinning, it's pretty clear that GPC won. However I found KPSA's vid to form a really nice ensemble. TurnDon't doesn't make a spectacular combo but it's mostly smooth and I really like the ending starting from the counter-air IA (?) at :09. The problem with his combo is his transition. He takes too much time to execute the transition, as if he forgot he had to do it after he drops the pen. Then for Nia, I like the magic trick. It's not super special but still cool. I really like Nia's combo a lot though. He shows a bit of everything, I like the stop he makes at :26 with his thumb before giving a big jolt of energy. And the ending is just insane. The way the handaround is executed looks so crazy and sudden it really wakes you up and make you want to re-watch it again. Furthermore, as a whole, the double looks very coherent. The way Nia starts off is very similar to where TurnDon't left off but then he just starts mixing it up really fast and really well, it makes the combo very exciting. Very entertaining video. KPSA has been handling double videos really well so far, with Nia as the backbone.

For Stuhl and colddi, like I said, the spinning is very high level. Stuhl's combo is absolutely insane with the style he has. It starts right at the beginning at :05 where he does almost unintentional isolation just by holding the pen in 34. This isolation is what allows him to take more time to setup his pinky stall, although I still believe it is a tad too long. Yet, I think it is still acceptable because Stuhl has already established his graceful and delicate style using the isolation and the tempo. The transfer from pinky to pinky is very impressive and difficult. Then comes the pen rolling element which I found very cool. The most impressive part however is the seamless transfer at :17. It looks like the pen is floating in the air, but in reality it is rolling along the connected index fingers. However the connection is so subtle you're totally fooled. That was amazing. Finally, Stuhl brings his signature move of always finding a new way to do a triangle pass, this time with the left thumb. The arm roll that followed was a bit iffy, I thought it was unnecessary. Now the transition itself is funny, but of course editing is not counted. If you look only at the spinning part of the transition, it is an aerial from Stuhl to colddi. The problem is that colddi's catch is too fast so it looks like he just started spinning right away. That was not a good transition by colddi. Part of the problem is that it doesn't seem like the pen fell off from outside the camera: the air the pen took was only about halfway up in the screen. colddi's combo was pretty nice though, very aggressive with good power tricks. I especially love the part that goes palm up at :44 into the aerials. Solid.

The problem I find with the GPC double is that overall it's not tight. I understand that they're trying to play on opposite, and clearly the presentation and the music indicate that. But at the execution and structural level, it felt too disconnected, it was too abrupt. One part of is because Stuhl has a very slow pace so you can't just cut him and have a pretty fast looking animation. It just doesn't fit his style. Maybe Stuhl should have sped up his combo for the finish. I also found the animation a little bit too long or maybe the animation itself should have increased its speed more and more. Even though editing is not considered, in this case it seems to affect the video cohesion negatively. IMO, if you really wanted to play along with the contrast of the two spinners, I would have opted with a full stop combo from Stuhl and then after the transfer give colddi the opportunity to start from scratch. The way it is right now is too abrupt and doesn't allow you to fully appreciate both combos.

Winner: To me the cohesion problems with GPC is enough to justify a tie with KPSA, because overall I found KPSA video more enjoyable to watch even though it didn't have the talent of GPC. The problems with GPC disturbed me enough not to be able to fully appreciate their combos when you look at it all at once. So that's why I don't think KPSA should lose this match. But I think the results will indicate that GPC will win because higher quality of spinning is an important advantage to have.

TIE 1-1-1. It all comes down to the double, the other two are set. Most likely will be a GPC victory.

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7. TWPS vs THPSC

7.1 Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, Joey (TWPS) vs Supawit127 (THPSC): Well first of all, Joey will be disqualified for a video which is too long, so right away we know that Supawit127 will win, no question. But if we look at the combos more carefully, it's still Supa who is going to win anyway. From an overall perspective, Supawit has a superior level of technique. From the theme perspective, Joey did not do badly, his combo was very smooth. But supawit was even smoother, because he kept the rotation speed constant throughout the whole combo which is incredible. The pen never stops turning and it always turn at the same speed. That's a true indication of smoothness. It's always amazing to see the difference in his spin this round and the last round. When he was focusing on difficulty, his combo was much less controlled and but he had very risky tricks. This time, the flow of the combo is perfect but there are far less big air tricks. He makes a combo which is "tighter" to his hand. It is interesting to see how much themes have an effect on his spinning.

Winner: Supawit127.

7.2 Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, TKspin (TWPS) vs BaiMai (THPSC): I think this battle is closer than it should have been. BaiMai pulls a lot of great spinless elements. The problem is that there are too many of them. I still believe that the greatest example of spinless combos is Coulomb for JapEn 4th. However, what made that combo possible is the fact that is only 9 seconds long. I respect BaiMai a lot for making a complete 25 secs combo spinless and trying not to be repetitive by never repeating theh same element twice, but it gets tiring somewhere around :07. To me, in order to use spinless effectively, you must use them in moderation and have them integrated seamlessly with normal tricks. The idea is that spinless tricks can slow down the pace and provides a visual appeal different from regular spinning. Therefore by combining both types together, you get spinning which is very varied and fluctuates in tempo and visual beauty, which enhances the look of the combo. By having only spinless elements, it makes the combo too static. It's a bit like a car that has difficulty starting up. At some point you just gotta break the spinless, hit the gas and go!

TKSpin's combo on the other hand is way too weak on the theme. The grabs at :05 looks way too strong and forced. The two hands element at :12 is not super interesting either. Furthermore the rest of the combo is not super nicely executed so it doesn't really compensate.

Between a combo that respects the theme too much and one that doesn't really respect, I'd rather go with the one that respects too much. At least BaiMai's combo looked very special compared to TKSpin.

Winner: BaiMai.

7.3 Double 2vs2: BaoO & Evolution (TWPS) vs Spinnerpeem & The Legend (THPSC): Interesting battle but I have a clear idea of the winner. BaoO made a nice combo, good linkages and looked nice, except for the mistake at :10. The part I like the most is at :08 when he makes one aerial in one direction and immediately follows with another in the opposite. Evolution's combo is also very good. The linkages are not that deep, but I thought they looked good enough to prepare for the big tricks. The left hand finish also is nice. What I find really exceptional with this combo is how well both spinners fit together. Both have certainly different style, yet the transition between the two is flawless. I believe this is because they are able to spin at the same tempo. It really looks like the speed stays the same throughout both spinners, but tricks executed at that speed are very different between BaoO and Evolution, which made the whole video look very varied and balanced. Both spinners complement each other very well.

For the THPSC combo, there are major balance issues. The Legend's combo was not really good. His spinning looks very "busy" but it really didn't have a lot of substance to it. Furthermore, it wasn't super well executed. There are major and sudden changes in speed through the combo which look unstable. But spinnerpeem after that just makes a ridiculous combo. Lots and lots of difficult tricks, nicely executed although there is a mistake at :42 where the pen suddenly slows down a lot, I think because the rotation was not complete and it hit something. The problem is that in this video, Spinnerpeem makes his own teammate look bad! The Legend seems to bring contribute absolutely nothing that spinnerpeem doesn't do, it seems like his spinning and the first half of the combo is pretty much useless. Spinnerpeem's combo was either too individualistic or The Legend is simply not good enough to keep up with him or not able to bring elements outside of Spinnerpeem's expertise.

Winner: BaoO & Evolution. THPSC has the best combo of the four spinners, but TWPS is simply the better pair.

THPSC 2-1, very doubtful that TWPS can win the whole battle.

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8. HKPSA vs BPSC


8.1 Technical 1vs1: Variety, Mist (HKPSA) vs Littleboy (BPSC): I find that Mist put a solid effort. He finally fixed his camera angle, although I think he could be even more zoomed out. His combo had a good vibe, showed a lot of nice elements. It definitely kept my interest all the way. I think you can recognize the variety of a combo when it seems shorter than it really is. In this case, I felt like Mist's combo is really short but in fact it is a decent 18 seconds. This is because there's a nice array of tricks used.

Littleboy on the the hand... great combo, one of the best this round for sure. The pen goes through so many different motions and it really travels around the whole space. My favourite moment is probably from :05 all the way to :14 where there's a wiper reverse. The finisher is great too.

Winner: Littleboy, simply better in the theme and overall.

8.2 Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, wcy (HKPSA) vs Ivabra (BPSC): wcy had some good ideas. In particular the mid-air isolation at :15 is amazing. The rest of the combo I thought had a lot of mistakes, off-screen, bad catches, etc. I also don't really like the way he executes some of his aerial pushes, it's like he gives too much of a push but the pen doesn't fly that high. It looks weird. I also liked the air bounce at :21. Some good ideas but bad execution.

Ivabra made a solid effort. His combo doesn't have any major execution problems. It doesn't have as many nice air ideas as wcy but the two most important are located in the coolest sequence of the combo which is :04-:08. That's just insane right there with the smooth transfer from hand to hand.

Winner: Ivabra, on the aerials it's about equal because I really liked the wcy isolation but execution-wise much better.

8.3 Double 2vs2: kin & winky (HKPSA) vs Kr4zy & knuckles (BPSC): I thought kin's combo had some problem. It seemed to lack energy and flow. The pen had a lot of slowdowns in longer rotations and it doesn't look good. He also make a few mistakes, having to move his hand a lot to correct them. The combo itself is pretty sweet, especially the infinity sequence that leads right in the palmspin to swivel. Very tight sequence. The transfer to the left hand at :20 was also amazingly smooth. The transition to winky was not so good however. kin threw the pen too fast it's hard to see what's going on. But when it arrives at winky's side, it's suddenly really slow. Furthermore we can see winky's left hand coming into the frame which breaks the illusion of the transition. The idea of hitting a pen is not bad though. I liked this combo better than round 1. Right from the start the bakfall synchronized set a nice tone. Then winky did stumble a little bit and lost some momentum. The pen stall at :37 is a good idea in principle but the execution was too slow. I think I would have skipped the stall and just do the penaround part. The rest of the combo is pretty basic, although nicely synchronized for the most part.

For KR4zy, I really like his style, very smooth and steady. The pen seems to be moving effortlessly. However he waited too long to transfer to knuckles. The throw itself was nicely received from knuckles side. What I really liked is that the pen doesn't travel very far in knuckles screen, therefore we don't see the fact that KR4zy actually threw very slowly and knuckles can start imposing his faster tempo right away without any problem. His combo is very nice as well, lots of very polished linkages. Now I really love the transition he made back to KR4zy. First of all making the aerial from the palm is quite refreshing. Second, the palmspin naturally slows down the spin, which is a perfect transition back to the slower KR4zy. Perhaps the only problem is that the line of the throw is a bit weird: seems like KR4zy should have caught from the bottom left corner of his screen. The second combo of KR4zy I thought was not as good as the first one because it is quite short but doesn't take too many risks even though it is easy to refilm it. What I liked though is that he does speed up with the last TA and with the throw back, which again transitions perfectly to knuckles. This second combo by knuckles does have some execution problem which is a bit surprising considering its length. I thought this was a perfect double combo from the perspective of the interaction and harmony between the spinners, they managed the speed beautifully.

Winner: KR4zy & knuckles.

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Tue 2 Mar - 19:54

Il nous donne gagnant à 3-0 \o/

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Tue 2 Mar - 20:14

pas étonnant on s'est donné à fond et c'pas parce que c'est HKPSA omfg amazing >_>...... que voilà. Si y'a pas de notoriété à la Taeryong qui court on win 3-0 normalement. BaoO a posté un coms sur la vidéo de WCY il a dit que ct inadmissible de poster cqu'il a fait à cause des quelques erreurs ^^ Mist est tout simplment moins bon que la machine à link belge, et le duo j'dis c'est serré mais Meteor est vraiment moins bon que d'hab, et le combo de krazy et knuck sotn trop trop trop tro ptrop trop trop bien. =D

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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Tue 2 Mar - 20:25

Vos pronostics sur le reste Messieurs?
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 7 Mar - 18:30

Round 2 :

Zombo 18
Vityaz 17.5
Toonet 17
LB 15.5
Gisele-Futhark 13

Total (je met 10 à ceux qui ont pas rendu à un round) :

1/ Littleboy 33
2/ Toonet 32
3/ Vityaz 31
Zombo 31
5/ Gisele 28.5
Futhark 28.5
7/Spini 27.5
8/ Elbamit 25.5
9/ Volt 23
10/ Almad 0
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Sun 7 Mar - 19:36

Je suis meilleur là que pour mes paris foot pour l'instant xD
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PostSubject: Re: Grand Jeu WC 2010   Wed 31 Mar - 12:55

Bon faites le round 3 si vous voulez hein =) Moi j'ai pas le temps pour l'instant peut etre plus tard...
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